Beware the evils of PIE!

So, I just found this old post at Shapely Prose. It’s long and fascinating and you should read the whole thing, but this concept really stuck out to me:

Take away a whole series of similar beliefs, and suddenly, I’m not a person with compulsive eating tendencies — I’m a person who has very little desire to eat when I’m not hungry. Like magic! (Slow-moving magic that involved a great deal of conscious effort, granted, but it still feels kinda mystical.) I didn’t have to dig deep and resolve some buried childhood trauma or stop being angry at my mother to overcome those compulsive tendencies; I just had to train myself to really, truly believe that eating is a morally neutral act.

Now, for some people, coming to see eating as a morally neutral act is a more daunting challenge than resolving childhood trauma or forgiving their parents. …

… I think I was pretty much a normal American woman — one with depression and anxiety (and ADD, for that matter), and one who grew up in a family of self-loathing fatties, which certainly didn’t help. But mostly just a normal American woman brainwashed from birth to believe that eating tasty, fatty food is baaaaad and eating bland, raw vegetables is virtuous. No real in between.

I’m looking at you, Fable II.

Eating meat and pie and and basically anything other than veggies and tofu will make you evil and corrupt, even though these items exist to heal you after battle. So, you really need some food, you’ve got some great pie that’s perfect for what you want, you eat it…EVIL! With meat vs. veggies, they give it an ethical justification, which is to say, meat is bad because a creature had to die so you could eat it; tofu is good because it lets the bunnies live. But what’s so evil about pie? (Are there four-and-twenty blackbirds in it?!)

Meat and pie and such also make you fat (which makes you ugly– literally), while veggies make you thin (and therefore beautiful), but that’s the level of food-fucked-up-ness I expect. Literally making tofu virtuous— on the same level as freeing slaves or donating to the poor!– that’s… really just taking things to their “logical” conclusions. But that’s a problem.

If you’re new to Fat Acceptance, by the way, Shapely Prose is a great place to start; this is their intro page. Google is also your friend here (try “Fat Acceptance” and also “Health At Every Size”) and, of course, you can ask as many questions as you like, and I’ll talk to the fullest extent of my understanding. And then some!

(Also awesome (in that lol/sob way) and vaguely related: Worst “healthy eating” tip I ever saw.)

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3 Responses to Beware the evils of PIE!

  1. Wait, for real that is how food works in Fable II? That is so beyond fucked up. My partner really enjoyed the original Fable but he never mentioned the food dynamic — is this a new feature?

    (Also: hello! Thanks for the links!)

  2. eloriane says:

    Wow, hello! (Must…control…fangirling…!)

    I have no idea how it works in the original Fable, but when, after “accidentally” murdering a town full of people, my brothers wanted to make our character “good” again (in the vain hope I wouldn’t find out– ha!) they went from produce shop to produce shop eating “good” foods.

    Fable divides morality into good vs. evil (acts that affect others) and pure vs. corrupt (acts that affect only you). So it’s “good” to eat tofu (what with the killing-animals aspect) and “pure” to eat apples, celery, and carrots. Whenever you do either, though, a little face-with-a-halo icon pops up over your head and there’s a cheerful noise to say, congratulations on being an excellent person! The same icon pops up for acts like donating to the poor, rescuing slaves, and using a condom when you have sex. (Yeah, did I mention? There’s a lot more fucked-up-ness than just food-fucked-up-ness!)

    So, technically pie isn’t evil. It’s just corrupt. Because, you know, you’re harming yourself. By healing your battle injuries. With pie.

  3. […] 4) This is the corollary to 3): If you want it, you can have it. You’re a grown-up. You’re allowed to have whatever you like. If that means you have a week where you just slurp down ice cream, so what? If you want a salad, hey, go for it! But you’re not a good girl for eating the salad, or a bad girl for eating the ice cream. Food in and of itself does not have any moral value, although that’s the hardest thing to hold onto in our highly judgemental society.   (I’M LOOKING AT YOU FABLE II!) […]

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